Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. Aquarius rising at 29 degrees. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. The Davison chart is a time/space chart and is anchored in the here and now. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. Lilith in the 12th house are really good at hiding their "lilith" nature and because of this they are usually popular. Whatever I told you would not have a context. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. I think this is SO true . There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. This makes so much sense. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. or sth. His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. Learn how your comment data is processed. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. I live in a kind of constant daydream /illusion of being near my beloved ghost I know this is not truth , but I dont know how I could do without. Our physical connection was addicting. Venus (love) and Mars (sex) in the 7th House are a strong testimony as well. My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. mercury and mercury conj. We feel that our twelfth house planets dont work the way our other planets do, or the way that same planet seems to behave in other peoples charts. It shapes the relationship between two persons. Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! 3) Angles in the houses & aspects. HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. Is there nothing better to hope for? Youre a poet of poets. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. Lilith in partner's 12th house may represent emotional outbursts, manipulations and obsessions. Weve known each other for a decade??? Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? so we find the True in each other. Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. thank you for your insight, thank you !!! I was heart broken all over again. AT ALL. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. Thank you. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. It has been a very long journey! Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. In composite we have north node in 12th. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. He seems very able to detach himself and move to the future. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. Im so confused by this mix! what kind of compassion do you think can be generated from a composite mars in 12th house? Sorry, Natalia, I cant really comment on this in the space available. This places can even indicate psychic ability. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. Sometimes learning from the mistakes IS the path. In Hebrew tradition, Lilith was Adam's first wife. Since Lilith is being hidden in the 12th . (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) If you have Lilith in the 12 th house of your chart, her themes will manifest in terms of isolation, the shadow, and limitation. They rip the rug from under you every other day. It isnt bad, its difficult. Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. 12th House Meaning. What of mother-daughter pairs? This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. Lots of greetings from Serbia. I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared historyeven if they are new to one another, it feels old. They recognize one another when they meet. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. Those with this placement can benefit significantly from learning how to . In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. What do you think? Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. Natal Sun in Gemini and Venus in Cancer in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct my Cancer ASC. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. One of my longest relationships featured a Lilith-Sun/Ascendant conjunction in synastry. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. What do You think about Davison Chart? Just as the Sun is the Luminary of the day, the Moon is the Luminary of the night. So much uncertainty and confusion!! Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. thanks Dawn! He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. Im glad youre enjoying it. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. His north node in his 12th in pisces which means he will have to travel from a more material existence to a spiritual one in his lifetime, but that could take another 20 years. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? This depends on how well Lilith energy is being handled in the synastry and natal chart. He told me he had butterflies I did too.his nn is conjunct my ascendant. Such a great article! Thank you for your reply Dawn . My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. The feelings I have are much deeper than lust and infatuation. . Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. Our lives are silly and sublime at once. A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. We feel that very beautiful in our life! Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. Im a Pisces sun 7house. It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. How ironic! And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. Thank you for your answer. The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. The fourth house is . One or two aspects, especially in composite, do not carry the story. When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. My english is not very good. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. so beautiful and so healing especially the last paragraph. The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. Lovely article. We fall, and find the world. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. The weirdness of the 12th usually happens when one or both of the other parties has a heavy 12th influence in the natal. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. Then we hurt each other. This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). But I think you can count on that Jupiter for evoking good will between you should you decide to reconcile. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). VENUS IN HOUSE TWELVE Venus in the 12th house cultivates a spiritually profound form of love and a desire to experience love on a higher level. I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. Lilith in the 3rd House: Those with Lilith in the 3rd house may have a dark sense of humor, be into alternative or shocking entertainment & literature, while they have the capability of being fantastic liars. And what does it mean our 12th. I also have two stelliums in the 11th and 12th of my natal chart.a total of 8 planets (6 in Leo). As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. My natal venus is in the 12 th house. You will both be changed deeply by it. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) Also, forgive my double Virgo and the fact that I was once an editor: the phrase is unrequited love not unrequired. Sorry. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. I cant stop the regretful feelings. In this relationship, you tend to agree to a no-obligation arrangement from the start. Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. Keteki says: May 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm . I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). I feel so helpless! so we find the True in each other. Sometimes the path isnt easy to find, and we make lots of mistakes along the way. All this seems to confirm your analyses of the other composite houses, as well. Synastries (especially composite charts) are complicated and if confused (or you feel threatened) you should consult a professional. As a 8th house sun Virgo 8th Venus Leo I am sure this adds to my sexual nature. (excuse my bad English) The Autumn Schedule is Here! We also have 3 composite planets and an asteroid in house 8. cheers:). So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. Sun conj. They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. But also to wound each other? You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. Thats for start. It doesn't have to be a breakup. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. The same person I've had mutual 12th house synastry with has sun in 12th house composite with me. My sun in the 3rd is squeezed in a T-square between Saturn in Pisces, in the 6th and Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, in the 12th. I feel so relieved after reading it because I really thought i was crazy. You have nailed my experience. Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. Overall, this is considered a favorable Lilith placement, as it is . The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. 08.05.20. This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. Lilith square . My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. Thanks! Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. As the article says : this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. . i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. Romantic Conjunctions in the 12th House. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. Venus/Uranus is difficult in the composite, but it doesnt explain your obsession. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. Emotional Suppression. intresting to know why its so bad. The 12th house is all about past life astrology, so the planets can . taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? It also works the other way. Most of my relationships are like that . These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. Having someone else's planets in these houses (especially the 5 th, 7 th, and 8 th houses), conjunct the Vertex or not, indicate a high level of compatibility and intimacy. You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (thats what I gathered anyway). Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. scares me a bit. I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. Bonus points if the Sun and Moon are conjunct. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad Unfortunately, the 12th House is one of the hardest places for Lilith to be. The Inner Wheel Recommended Astrology Reading Lists, Crucible and the Wheel: The Transiting Nodes Series. I read your article and its really touching! I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. It is SO powerful! Thank you for this series of articles! We all find our gods where we can and must. Because thats what it feels like! For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. Youre writing is inspired. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. Through the sixth house, you must learn to function in the world efficiently and take up the calling to serve Humanity. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. how this would manifest? We both have natal moon in house 12. But, our composite chart is weird. etc. composite moon and saturn are in fifth house. More appreciative of that special melding? Oh the powers of the 12th house. Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if its got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of. Its a bit like getting knocked off your feet by a powerful waveyou and your partner are going to have to swim in the tide for a while, and deal with whatever watery beasties swim your way. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. At all. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. In the end it was his choice to end it. Just endings in general. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. Together, they like to dive deeper and deeper into unknown and mysterious beliefs, cultures, territories, and ideas. Thank you for reading and I hope this story helps reveal more about the 12th house in composites. Our situation was kind of complicated. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. Astrology Symbols, Elements, Modalities, & House Types. Thank you very much for the answer. Thank you, Dawn. I feel that our connection is a long term one over many lifetimes. VERY-VERY SORRY! It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. It feels that we are very free together than alone. We feel that very beautiful in our life! And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. However, it's recommended to do an individual birthchart analysis before analyzing the Synastry to see the personal needs and potential for maintaining a healthy relationship. I am sufficiently haunted. I often was a bit too demanding of her when it comes to intimacy and I wonder if this is about me learning to let go. Lilith in 8 th house composite. By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. Thanks so much Dawn. It is ruled by Pluto and Mars, rulers of Scorpio. Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. Lilith in 12th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 12th House You may find it challenging to express devotion and love for one another if Composite Lilith is in the 12th house. We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. He literally proposed to me the night we met. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. The only way that you can figure out the main issue of karma in a relationship is to examine the nature of both Nodes and their rulers in the Composite, along with aspects to the Nodes.