I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. Theres also a mindset difference. of muzzle energy. of muzzle energy. of energy at the muzzle. It is a good choice for shooters who are very sensitive to recoil, since its free recoil energy is only about 4.5 ft. lbs. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. Mag. However, the small bore cartridges from .24 to .32 caliber have proven quite reliable on these smaller animals, so I am not going to argue that anyone needs a .35 to hunt CXP2 class game. Can't really imagine one cartridge doing anything the other couldn't, though the availability of bigger bullets and way more factory ammo (if wanted) are definite pluses for the Mauser. Mag. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. The rifle, cartridge, and bullet must be capable of handling that one opportunity. Why cant we love the .35? In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. Can this be made into a .358 Norma Mag or must I do a .35 Whelen. I have used the .35 Whelen on critters from bobcats to moose. The trouble is, they didnt sell. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. Boltface would have to be altered for the Norma. 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From a 12 twist bore, accuracy sweet spots for light bullets include 2950fps with 180 grain bullets, 2925fps with 200 grain bullets, before normalizing with 225 grain bullets at 2900fps. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. Between the .25s and the .35s are dozens of cartridges that are versatile and suitable. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. Hornadys LEVERevolution pushes the performance up a notch with a 200-grain pointed bullet at 2225 f.p.s. That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. It, as you know, can be loadeddown to be a 35 Whelen but the reverse is not true. In the 80s, when Jack Carter was making his Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet by hand, I did some elk hunting with the 240-grain .375 version. Subscriber Services. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. Is the .358 Norma Magnum a cartridge destined to make a huge comeback? but it does have the 22" barrel and the irons , looks and feels like a MTN rifle to me. [1] However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. Spl. The full spectrum of our many 7mms, from 7mm-08 and 7x57 on up to the fastest 7mm magnums, are also fine, but they are not magical giant-slayers. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. Elk bullets must be tough enough to provide adequate penetration. You can never lead if you always follow; the other cartridges were designed to chase Winchesters success, while the .35 Rem. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. Released in 1908, the .350 Rigby Magnum is an entirely original design, with no parent cartridge. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. For the handloader, as the accompanying table demonstrates, the .358 Norma Magnum provides an almost unbelievable range of possibilities, from loads light enough for gallery shooting to heavy enough. If you happen to have a .35 and don't mind the extra recoil, there is no denying that it will flat get the job done. So we see that even with a one pound lighter rifle, the .358 recoils slightly less than a .300 magnum. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. Twenty years ago, I might have said .338 Winchester Magnum was the perfect choice for elk. Particularly when you consider that every one of those newer short magnum cartridges burns more powder to achieve less killing power than the .350 Rem. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. Bottles & 12-oz. An elk is bigger than anything most deer hunters have encountered, but theres still a variance; a cow for the freezer isnt much bigger than a very large deer, but a mature bull elk is different. Around eight pounds set to go is a good compromise. Not only that, many different bullet moulds were made for casting .358 bullets in some of the most fanciful shapes. The .35 Rem. They live in steep, rough country, and their long legs cover a lot of ground. and .358 Norma Mag.). Though still under construction, Im eager to take the classic cartridge into the hunting fields. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. In the years since, the .35 Rem. This is because it was discontinued in the mid-1970s, and reintroduced by Remington in 2003. plowed fresh ground. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. I'd go with the 35 whelen. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. Among my own favorites for the .358 Norma are the Nosler Partitions in both 225 and 250 grains, Swift A-Frames (225, 250, 280) and various Woodleighs, including the unique 310-grain Weldcore. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. SAUM and .300 WSM, with their 180 grain bullets at a MV of 2960-2970 fps, have an optimum range of about 120 yards on 1000 pound animals. You bet they worked! factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. I rely on, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. Im going to rule out short-range cartridges that have the power because theres no sense in making the shot more difficult than necessary. I have long been something of a .35 caliber fan, but I have to admit that I believe the reason for the general lack of public acceptance of all but the least powerful .35's is, in a word, recoil. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. Rifle Recoil Table. What keeps it alive? While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. The Newton was supposedly loaded, by Western Cartridge, to 2,975 fps with a 250-grain bullet, but I, for one, would want to see the chronograph reading. Had the .358 Norma Magnum been chambered in an American rifle, or at least promoted by an American company, the popularity of the cartridge may have been much greater than it is. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. cases. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. I'm looking for a simpler project on this one. Meanwhile, the .358 Norma fizzled, for lack of a better term, because rifles were not readily available, ammunition was expensive and hard to get, and it found itself in direct competition with one of the great American cartridges of the twentieth century, Winchesters .338 Magnum. Still have a 9.3 (so I guess it "won"). Honestly, the concept of being overgunned is somewhat mystifying to me, provided you can place the shot. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. Shaw rifle's 24-inch barrel.. The .350 Rem. Perhaps, if the word gets out to the shooting public, the born again .350 may finally achieve the commercial success it deserves. I have never lost an elk, and I do not recall ever tracking one for recovery. and the 6.5 mm Rem. THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. This is not enough to argue about, so Im not convinced that the 7mm is better than the .270, but you can stoke it with a heavier bullet. DoubleTap loads the 180-grain Barnes TTSX bullet at 3100 fps, and the 225-grain Swift A-Frame at 3000 fps, giving options to the hunter who wants the most versatility from their big-game rifle. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? When chambered for cartridges such as the .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., .308 Win. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. in the Big Bore Model 94. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. There are specialized situations where close shots are the norm, but most often, the ideal elk rifle should have enough versatility for shots out to 300 yards and change. Thought about that 375 Ruger but nah. There are several reasons. Today we have better bullets than when I was a kid. The .358 Norma can be loaded down to duplicate the performance of either of the two smaller cartridges. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. If you handload your ammunition, it will make feeding a .358 Norma that much easier, just realize you wont find ammunition at a general store, or even at most gun shops, for that matter. Norma Projektilfabrik answered Winchesters designs with a pair of their own: the .308 Norma Magnum and its slightly older brother, the .358 Norma Magnum. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. of muzzle energy. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. Thier wouldn't be any action mods required to do the Whelen,just rebarrel and enjoy. The .358 Norma Mag. The Whelen is a more sensible choice, but the Rigby isnt about sensibility, its about nostalgia and a connection to a bygone age. Mag., and I think thats the only current production rifle in that cartridge. Where the .338 Winchester drives its 250-grain bullet to 2650 fps, the .358 Norma beats that figure by 100 fps or so, delivering over 4,200 ft.-lbs. It can work in close or at a distance or dazzle you with footwork. As it turned out, having a great punch was not enough for either one. It is, as you say, a thumper. I am also looking at building a 358 Norma Mag on a model 110 Savage action, formerly a 300 Win mag, and start from scratch with the stock ( bedding and pillar) and make it a tolerable shooter even if a bit heavy. Energy figures have it knocking at the door of 375H&H.