My Taurus G2C is DAO, restrike, and no mag safety. A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber because a sharp bump or drop could cause it to fire. Personally, I have several, ranging from BP revolvers to modern SA and DA revolvers & semi-auto pistols, to rifles and shotguns. If you want one of it, you must like it, so why wouldnt you want more? Keep your finger off of it and your should be good to go. And yes, I have done trigger work on 2 of my 3 Glocks. All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. Do it right; prepare the firearm for immediate use and take the neccessary precautions given that state of readiness. I worry that my flesh pushing against the soft holster will somehow depress that little trigger safety and nudge the trigger back. Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. Agreed. Or remembering faulty? What you are overlooking is the odds. No safety needs to include a stiff, lengthy trigger pull, like the LC9, or a DA revolver. WOW! Im not a big believer in the the bad guy will just take your gun and use it against you school of thought. Yeah, me too. Someone who wants to spend a couple thou on a gun should be more than willing to put the energy into learning how to use it safely. OK , Ill bite this time , I let it pass the first (hundredth) time , but Im all in now . You might like it. The general answer is most certainly yes however there are a few considerations. More : Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a . But in any case, the inertia must lie directly in line with the round, and then the round must stop suddenly, like when the muzzle hits the ground. Next, there was some discussion about GLOCKs. An unchambered gun is a dangerous, useless-to-you half measure. So the trigger pull is utterly irrelevant *if* you are paying attention to your firearm which you should be doing, again, with *any* firearm. Weve beaten this dead horse enough. He thinks. Height: 5.4. Glock 17. An insignificant cretin crying for attention in a world that has left him far, far behind. I dont know how high Id have to go to get it to ignite, but I figure Im never going to carry my piece 8+ off the floor, (seeing as how thats the height of most ceilings). Glocks have a blade in the trigger that is very light so that if the pistol is dropped, the inertia of the fall will not pull the trigger ( as the pistol is partially cocked). Glocks are awesome little handguns. Do not ever suggest they change a true classic. Do u carry an AR all day too? I have handguns that have a magazine safety I leave the mag out a 1/2 inch in the lock box and the mag cant be rammed home while in the box(like if it were dropped). In the case of the 43X, the barrel is 87mm or 3.41 inches long. People who ride a motorcycle to work know damn well their chances of being seriously hurt in an accident is astronomically higher than driving a Pick up truck to work. My bedside gun is always a DA revolver. Apply the 21 foot rule with the holy glock with a round chambered (Im pretty sure that as I was at the Vatican admiring Michelangelos ceiling, it was definitely a glock God was passing to Adam in the famous reclining scene), I bet you you will still lose just as badly. Wait a second, so youre telling me that I shouldnt keep my home defense gun in condition 3 but instead have it in condition 1 and put it in a lock box? Heres a link to it. Is it just something one has to get used to? For the most part.if the gun goes offsomeone pulled the trigger. It is a compact pistol that is chambered in 9mm and is designed for concealed carry. Let the one with no traffic tickets throw the first stone. Mad about covers it. In some cases it's not legal. In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em Marshals (1998). Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. She was brave. Wouldnt it be actually quicker to rack the slide than to retrieve your weapon from a locked box? If waking up to a noise or shadow, I want the piece in my hand as simply and easily as possible, meaning it lays in the headboard. Note, the sentry safe does have a security vulerablity that can be mitigated by covering a hole with stainless steel tape. The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. about carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber. the safety doesnt enter into it. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. When I was a lot younger, I was riding horses with some friends. Again, though, training is the answer. Learn what it means to have muscle memory. OMG I love those old Fractured Fairy Tales shows! The chamber under the hammer of any carried revolver is *irrelevant* for the first shot, since cocking the hammer of an SA or pulling the trigger on a DA advances the next chamber to the firing position. That being said, I also carry a M&P 9mm with one in the chamber. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. I only know my own lifes experiences, fwiw, too many LEOs cant hit chit no matter what the tool, and Im an honorary. So yes, its completely safe. I carry a Glock 21 with a round in the chamber I constantly handle the gun to keep excellent muscle memory if you dont want to have the gun fire dont touch trigger. And I do not carry them ever. Clearly not enough to train for scenarios where chambering a round can be life or death. Glock likewise provides a slimline design, which integrates features from the Gen 3 and Gen 5 Glock guns. I am lacking a rapier and main gauche though so maybe not ready for the six fingered man. And, Mad, you really like those ad hominem attacks. Good luck!!!!! I lost a whitetail in heavy cover to the click when the safety is released. Brain farts are a universal malady that effects 100% of all humans and the Glock and its clones are probably the least idiot proof handgun ever invented. Many revolvers also changed; whereas the firing pin was once integrated with the hammer . People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity. I put into the chamber a primed case w/o powder or bullet. And that is the key to any methodology, simply having the proper training. None of those things make any difference at all. She now after many painful operations will be a partial cripple for the rest of her life. Do you supposes THIS guy knows the six letter word for a firearms dangerous end? Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. . And its nowhere near so light a trigger pull that you could just bump it and it fires. Am I being silly? All terrific replies. I have trained chambering on the draw and while it is less effective I am still way ahead of the guy who doesnt carry. The Springfield Armory XD-E is a new hammer-fired compact pistol. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. If you 're considering a Glock handgun, make sure you have an armorer or gunsmith install it before trying to customize it. And my Glock 17. its full screen with proper sound and everything. Its an unsafe design from 2 aspects, the fact that it acts much like a single action weapon with the hammer cocked back and no manual safety and it has a totally unsafe asinine take down system. Some folks in the comments section raised objections, as they are often wont to do. Alright so you said all the pros, not all are valid. Even my beloved Browning High Powers (all 6 f them) gave me fits until I found some expanding ammo that would work reliably in them. Is it a lot of work to train to the level where you never get it wrong? Whats a fleshlight? No wait . The gunfight at the end was pretty good otherwise, but at one point Costner gets 16 shots out of his Colt SAA without reloading. Oh - And my Cobra .22 has one round in EACH chamber. With only six on tap anyway, whats one less? The good folks at Iver Johnson (related in name only to the company that exists today) developed a lifting bar that sat between the hammer and the primer of the cartridge. Glock firearms Instructor. Actually I carry a revolver, which is 1000% better at typical bad breath self defense ranges than an AR and 100% better than a semi-auto pistol that will get pushed out of battery on a contact shot. And my Ruger .357. you roll the dice. Perfect analogy. 2. When I was new to guns I bought a DA/SA pistol with safety/decocker because I lacked the confidence to go with a hot gun without the safety, never fell for the empty chamber myth as a safe way to carry, always thought it was a sure way to get killed.. Once I was confident enough, now I only carry a gun without a safety and it always has one in the pipe, always carried in a holster. More bad advice, did the author not learn from his first mistake? JavaScript is disabled. And we all make mistakes. All of that seemed a bit verbose for a blog comment, though. As in mentally deranged. The Israelis didn't invent the practice but it got the name from Israeli armed forces policy. I once had a grim laugh when one Jethro Bodine (after emerging from his out house) told me he bought a Glock because he could not stand the worry of carrying his 1911 cocked and locked. link to What is a Pistol Caliber Carbine. It is also popular for law enforcement and for use as a backup weapon. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[468,60],'guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_2',112,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2-0');I, as well as others, have tested and tried to get the Safe Action System, to fail but without actually modifying parts, we havent been able to. I think five guns is the bare minimum, and thats how I always answer the one gun question. I dont condemn those who carry a striker with one in the chamber. Victoria: Just bookmark the page you commented on, and then check back once in a while. Hmm that give away means youre at least in your 60s bordering on senility. Safe wise, I like the Homak #584 4 digit/code safe. Congratulations. I dont expect hardware (or software) to compensate for a persons stupidity, as opposed to the opinion of many other people who think it should. But unlike the Shield Plus, the Equalizerlike the Shield EZis a single-action as opposed to striker-fired pistol. . . Some of these points were deliberately avoided for reasons Ill get into. Is it just something one has to get used to? 1 of 2 Go to page. Im a lefty and the controls on the P 89 are completely ambitious I love SA/DA hammer fired autos. You shoud not count on having both hands available while being attacked. Amen brother. Glocks have a feature that prevents the trigger from accidentally being pulled, blocks the firing pin until the trigger is fully pressed, and the pistol is not actually cocked until the trigger is puled. Unfortunately, some may not and I have no idea which do and which do not. But my Glock has an empty chamber. In the 1930's, W.E. Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? Want to vent about something? See the old Remingtons. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! It has been many years since I saw that movie. I have trained chambering on the draw and while it is less effective it still gives me options. The best line of all time is Dirty Harrys. All are coded alike, but each has a different weapon in condition 1 ready to go. I keep hearing the words with proper training, like that is the Holy Grail! The are a couple videos out there showing issues with holsters (kydex included) where bending or twisting caused a discharge. OthersI just didnt think about and for some pretty good reasons. DA/SA make the most sense to me. The anti-GLOCK crowd and they are nothing if not noisy also raised the objection that since a striker-fired pistol is so easy to discharge (a simple pull of a relatively light trigger) then its inherently dangerous to have those guns in a home with small children. She had the edge, rock steady hands of a brain surgeon. Picture if I was to just strike a primer laying on a hard surface, with a hand held hammer, manually. Capacity: 15 rounds. I now carry without it, with one in the pipe. I carry "Mexican" and don't want to end up like Plaxico Burress. We can put a bullet thru the eye of a bunny sitting still but its hard to get a head shot when its running, us being the bunny. Please note, comments must be approved before they are published. Love the Quigly Down Under reference. without going into details i have it set up that theres no way anybody gets in my house at night without making enough noise for a long enough time that i wont have enough time to wake up and get my wits about me and get my firearm and charge it while on my way to the threat They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens.. and yes i train and rehearse that Ive done this quite a bit when rabbit hunting. . I was shown( Thank You RES), yank that sucker out, moveaim, fire. Glock originally designed the gun with an exposed hammer and their marketing agent said are you joking no one in their right mind would buy such an unsafe weapon because they can see that the hammer is cocked back. It's a mental block you will have to outgrow. Nor with his next, more significant error, suggesting that floating or inertial firing pin guns (like a 1911) ARE drop safe with a round in the chamber, even though all such firearms with a round in the chamber WILL fire if dropped on their muzzle? He thinks one big long post thats all one sentence is not a mistake. Not carrying a round in the chamber does indeed provide you a 100% chance of not having the gun go off in the holster. Still disagree? Now, what about those darn useless novelty CCH badges? So old single actions have to be handled and loaded in a certain way to be carried safely. Actually, I only did that for about ten minutes before retreating to a men's room, unchambering the round, and putting the gun back in its holster with a full mag but empty chamber. 3.Is it Safed to Carry a Glock With one in the Chamber - Gun Tradition. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. You do what you gotta do or are allowed to do. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. 1 you many not have time to chamber. A few overly trigger-happy officers within a department and a sly PR department really spun yarns on this one. Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. Glock handguns are extremely personalized, and gun owners have the choice to change out sights and sets off. Modern handguns are designed to be carried with a loaded chamber. Excuse me, but the inventor of the Linebaugh cartridges and custom gunsmith in Powell Wyoming is JOHN Linebaugh. The fact remains, we are always training. 1; 2; Next. When all else fails eat a mucho big bowl of butter beans and a hand full of BBs that should put a whole new meaning to Kiss my a$$. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_8',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');I do know one engineer who figured out that if it was dropped from 221 feet and it lands on the right angle squarely on its barrel, it could possibly go off, but the bullet would immediately strike the ground and not do much after that. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. You carry your way and Ill carry mine. It comes down to your comfort, training and repetitive use. Point the holstered G19 downrange at a target and try to fire it without removing it from the holster. If you are so uncomfortable with a Glock as a fully loaded and chambered self defense gun, why do you own one? The off hand comment was to the effect of glocks being less safe to carry with a round in the chamber than others. Just not for me. I sold my Glocks for this very reason , sure , I came up with other rational reasons , but when I look myself in the mirror and Im absolutely honest with myself , I got rid of my Glocks because I carry loaded chamber and I am sometimes a dumb ass . Are you my mother? I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired. The graveyards are full of former motorcycle riders and Glock users. Thats all Colt added to the series 80, the internal firing pin block. Youll probably die trying to get your semi-auto back into battery after attempting a contact shot anyway. My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. I am at a point in my life that I seem to lose a bit more of something every day and way I see it , I can actually admit to myself that I dont totally trust me without that little conscience click of the safety anymore . These are: 1. If you cant train yourself to keep your finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to shoot any gun is dangerous in your hands. You cant just twitch and accidentally shoot one. Which gets me to this. They're fun, handy, and can be very practical. No external safey, DA trigger that goes bang when you pull it.. Carry without one in the pipe for a while to get used to it. Dani: Most learn it in the third grade, so how scary hard can it be? Ever. I also like the guy getting thrown across the ally when he gets hit with both barrels of the shotgun through those 3/4 boards, but even better is when the same happens from a .45 Colt round. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? this aint 1902 with a Colt .38 Long primitive revolver and you probably aint riding a horse in pursuit of cattle thieves. Being an *untrained* klutz is something entirely different. This is especially true when it comes to the popular Glock line of handguns. But otherwise it still is a pretty good gunfight scene. Anything is possible, which is why the smart move is to play to the best probabilities. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. Other sites have no problem getting notifications to work NOW. But no self-defense. Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. gun owner would not have a clue on how the gun actually worked or how dangerous it was to handle and carry because what a Moron cannot see a Moron does not fear. They didnt know. Dave: And the 1911 series 80 fits into that category. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. I didnt mention this stuff because in the original post because the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun, Mad says, What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun. They are built using the patented Safe Action System which prevents unintentional firing. I have four (4) SA revolvers. Firearm experts, including myself, consider the design completely safe and dependable. 1. Also thank goodness I dont even have to make THAT choice. And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. Amen! Folks, a GLOCK (or any other striker-fired pistol) is perfectly safe with a little intelligence combined with a bit of assiduity. Come on, Gov, you know better than that. There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. I wouldnt have or carry any with a non hot pipe, but thats just me. I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. Hell you pour sand down MY ass crack and I'll jam up and and fail to extract Ive carried different glocks with a round chambered in iwb/owb holsters and never had a problem with it. That doesnt mean you can ever fool around with one. For me I often carry without one in the chamber, like when I am in the woods doing stuff. Ive said it once, Ill say it again. NO - any responsible gun owner should have some reservation until enough information has been provided. In fact, Ill prove it. . People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity.. Made up a little fixture to hold the gun on a piece of pipe, stood up on a ladder and let the gun fall onto its muzzle. Thanks for the tip. Check out this post which is one of the most popular of all time. I have these 2 hidden and had mounted in my house. Let's dive into the depths of insanity when it comes to concealed carry myths. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Not having a bullet in the chamber would make a discharge in the holster impossible. . Glock is a brand of polymer-framed, short recoil-operated, locked-breech semi-automatic pistols designed and produced by Austrian manufacturer Glock Ges.m.b.H.. Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. Knowing how impossible that is, Im NOT one of those. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. Well, its nice to know Im negligible. Carried chambered until the kids came. I dont know who else to contact. But people *MODIFY* (for chrissake) their Glocks trying to make the trigger compete with a 1911, then wonder why they shot their foot off. And it will ALWAYS stay in its holster right? Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. People who carry them are so rare that I felt like it wasnt worth mentioning, and Im probably still right. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety.